CUEK #421

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    Tech21101

    50 shades of CUEK, anyone?

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    Gen_Stonewall

    Hey Enzo! I am in an English class where we are reading comics! I showed my professor your Responsive Webcomic post and she made it an example she had everyone look at today! She was very impressed with this and a lot of people in the class laughed as well. Good job!

    Also she is asking the class when does a comic stop being a comic. Like is it still a comic when it is a video (guess where she got that idea from), or if it is a game, or if all the characters are moving within the panels.

    Most people are saying it is not a comic if it is overly complex, like a video or game.

    My professor suggested that it may still be a comic so long as the audience can not control the outcome of the story. I don't really know myself, I am just a fan :rockon:

    'Lil Ham, what are your thoughts as well??

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      Enzo

      That's awesome Gen_Stonewall! Please give her my thanks. And that discussion point is very interesting -- when does a comic NOT become a comic anymore? That's a good question.

      For me, my definition of comics and webcomics have always been completely independent of each other. I have always believed that webcomics, by definition, need to take full advantage of the fact that they are on the web. Comics to me are just static sequential panels, which is what most of the stuff on here is. But when you start using elements of web design, and development, and all the technology related to it -- that's when you're putting the WEB in webcomics!

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        'Lil Ham

        Wow, I've never been called out like that before! I guess since I am replying here I will go ahead and apologize to Mr. Enzo for not giving each of his comics the analysis they deserve, I've just been really busy with finals- I'm sure you all know how it is! Rest assured I have been checking daily and look eagerly for the day that I can resume my solemn duties as comic-analyzer.
        As for your question, my opinion is similar to that of Mr. Enzo himself- a comic and a webcomic are definitely different types of art, even if they are closely related!
        The problem with the level of complexity argument is that it is difficult to define levels of complexity. It's a relative adjective: As in, you cannot say that comic A definitely has 'one' level of complexity, and comic B has 'two,' but you can say that comic B is MORE complex than comic A. I think it's much easier to just separate the mediums into comics and webcomics.
        But I don't think it's as simple as your professor says. Although saying that the control of choice is, in nearly every case, a good way of saying something is a webcomic as opposed to a game, some webcomics DO incorporate choice. A good example are the Genesis I and II comics of the Mass Effect series, which are webcomics that allow people to make the major decisions of the previous games without having to do a full playthrough.
        I think that, the truth is, webcomics can be considered an extremely minimalist form of video game, or at least some of them can. There's a really interesting game called "A Duck Has An Adventure' on Armorgames.com that's in a webcomic format, but gives the player some kinds of choice and is considered to be, more or less, a game in itself. Here's the link:
        http://armorgames.com/play/15466/a-duck-has-an-adventure?via-search=1

        But not all webcomics have that level of complexity or choice in them. So your question cannot be given a set answer, but I, personally, consider webcomics, and even comics in general, to be called thus if they follow a certain format, generally involving cartoonish art, separate panels, things like that. For example, Star Wars is not a webcomic, that can easily be said, but a parody version of it, called 'Darths and Droids' takes still shots of the movies and turns it into a D&D-esque RPG. Link: http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0001.html

        Anything that follows this format is a 'comic,' in my eyes,
        but 'comic' then has three different subtypes: comic, webcomic, and interactive webcomic. Normal comics are what you'd expect, newspaper funnies. Webcomics are things like Darths and Droids that follow the format of comics but in an online setting, and, like Mr. Enzo said, use the resources available to that medium, such as alt texts, gifs, and bonus panels. Interactive webcomics are things that are essentially minimalist video games in the format of a comic, such as A Duck Has An Adventure, or the 'Responsive' comic. And things like Mr. Enzo's Cookie Car Chase and "Hey Dad" are a game and a video respectively, but part of an overall world that is mainly webcomic/interactive webcomic- like how Star Wars started with the movies but also had TV shows, games, and books.

        I hope my answer wasn't too pretentious or boring to read!

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          Gen_Stonewall

          It was not. I actually find it interesting. I have a very broad definition of a "comic" myself. I even argued that Cookie Car Chase and "Hey Dad" can be considered as a comic because they are tied into the story arc. Like how "Hey Dad" was part of a flashback sequence in Frank's mind. How the two games have been part of story arcs. If it works into the story arc, I consider it a comic. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, 'Lil Ham and Enzo!

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    Shauwn

    They were never the same.

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    justanotheremokid

    May (the) 4th be with you guys.

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    Shinigami99

    Was it Johnny Bravo?